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Ringer. I'm

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Sean Fennessee. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the

2:23

Big Picture. A conversation show about fall festival season.

2:25

It is upon us. I have just returned from

2:28

the Telluride Film Festival. What film festival did you

2:30

arrive from, Amanda? The one on

2:32

my couch. That's not true.

2:34

I did, I had some film adventures this

2:36

weekend. I went to the Academy Museum. Oh

2:39

fun. With my two and a half year old son

2:41

to see Monsters,

2:43

Inc. It was honestly really great. They do

2:46

like special calm mornings for kids. We

2:48

did crafts before. They don't, they

2:50

keep the volume at a level that won't scare a

2:52

two and a half year old. Was this your first

2:54

time seeing the film Monsters, Inc.? No, I saw

2:56

it when it came out. Oh, okay. Because it's like

2:58

early 2000s. So I would have, have you never seen Monsters,

3:00

Inc.? Of course I have. Of course, come

3:03

on. We also, like

3:05

by the way, we watched 45 Minutes and

3:07

then it was time to leave. But it was

3:09

a very sweet program that the Academy did. And

3:11

then can I just share like a

3:14

really heartbreaking thing? I told you this, I texted

3:16

you in real time. But as

3:18

we were leaving, Knox also really

3:20

likes the Wizard of Oz. And so I

3:22

made a huge parenting error, which

3:24

is without checking, I told him that we

3:27

could go see Dorothy's red slippers. And

3:29

then we asked some very kind people at the museum

3:32

where we could find Dorothy's slippers. And

3:35

they looked very stricken. And they were like, I'm

3:37

so sorry, but it's between

3:39

exhibits. And so they're

3:41

not on display right now. And

3:44

then my child did like the full face

3:46

melt, sad cry. Like not the fake one,

3:48

you know, but the real one where I

3:50

like start small. And then the things start

3:52

going down and he was just sobbing in my

3:54

arms, being like, Dorothy's shoes,

3:57

Dorothy's shoes. I mean, we've

3:59

all been. We've all been there. Yeah. So

4:02

I experienced the highs and the lows of cinema this

4:04

weekend. Well, you were participating in the Academy

4:06

game in a way. Sure. Helping,

4:08

helping, ampers. I also looked at a tremendous number of

4:11

photos of hot people on the Venice red carpet.

4:13

We can talk about that. We'll talk a little bit about

4:15

Venice. Obviously neither of us were there this year, but there

4:18

were a number of films that premiered there that are going

4:20

to be the subject on this show over the next few

4:22

months. Telluride was amazing.

4:27

It was not the most amazing slate, I

4:29

would say, that I've seen in Telluride history.

4:31

And some of my fears, some of my

4:34

angst pre-festival, I think were more or less

4:36

met by the truth of the lineup,

4:39

which was okay. The festival itself,

4:41

as usual, is the greatest place on

4:43

earth. You communed with the mountains? Not really.

4:46

I didn't really touch any mountains. I stood between the mountains.

4:48

You know, the entire festival takes place in a slot canyon.

4:51

But man, I met so many people,

4:54

so many listeners of the show, so

4:56

many young listeners. So

4:58

many young listeners of the show who said they

5:00

came to the festival because they've heard me talk

5:02

about it on the show. That's really nice. Which

5:04

was amazing. I'm not talking like two, three, like

5:07

12, 13, 14 people were like, I'm here because

5:10

I heard you talk about it, which is very

5:12

flattering, but also just really cool. And

5:14

you know, Telluride is usually a pretty old festival. And

5:16

I felt like I saw a ton of young people there.

5:19

Plus the student symposium, I met a ton of students there. Just

5:22

the greatest, honestly, they do such a cool job.

5:24

Honestly, I treated like gold at this point. It's

5:26

really, really nice. I love it there. There

5:29

were some really great films. I'll talk about everything that I

5:31

saw. You can press me on what you think,

5:33

what I'm overheated about, what I'm under-heated about. I

5:36

have opinions about all of that. I also did you

5:38

see that I put some superlatives, some awards that

5:40

you have to give it at the end? I've

5:43

prepared for your superlatives. Great questions. Thank

5:45

you. Should we start at the top with the

5:47

big winner of the festival? Yeah. So

5:50

this is a film that we've both seen. Yes.

5:53

Are we allowed to share? I think so. We can't

5:55

tell you right now. It won the Pomdor. It won

5:57

the Pomdor. The movie is Inora. Inora will

5:59

won. It felt like a telly ride this year. It

6:02

felt like there were more people there. I don't really know

6:04

how to say it. They say that they sold the same

6:06

number of tickets that they always sell. Same number of patron

6:08

passes, same number of all the things that they, it just

6:10

felt more crowded. Some of that might've just been, you know,

6:13

we're out of COVID and the strikes and you know, last

6:15

year was a little bit of a smaller festival over a

6:17

longer period of time. But every screening

6:19

of a Nora based on people that I talked to

6:21

was mobbed. People were being turned away left and right.

6:23

And I didn't talk to a single person that saw

6:25

it there that did not like it. We

6:27

have not talked about this movie yet on the

6:29

show. It's not coming out until October. I was

6:31

thinking we should consider trying to pre-tape our episode

6:34

because it is kind of the movie of the

6:36

year and we both had a chance to see

6:38

it. But this is Sean Baker's new movie starring

6:40

Mikey Madison about a stripper,

6:42

dancer, sex worker who

6:44

meets a young, the son of a

6:46

Russian oligarch and magic

6:49

and terror ensues. I'm

6:51

comedy. Very funny, very fun,

6:53

very energetic movie. I was very

6:55

curious about whether or not the older

6:58

patrons. Right. Were going to click with the movie. I think

7:00

that they did in part because the movie when it starts,

7:02

it doesn't really pull any punches. It's like, this is what

7:04

kind of movie this is. We're in a strip club and

7:07

I didn't go to see it at the

7:09

festival because I'd already seen it, but I heard

7:12

no walkouts, no grumbling. Like people seem to

7:14

really, really vibe with it. Are

7:16

you surprised to hear that based on what it is? I

7:19

remember sitting in the room watching

7:21

it and being like, I wonder

7:23

how this level of

7:25

nudity and sex will go over with

7:27

Academy of Voters. And then I remembered

7:30

that Poor Things was literally last year.

7:32

And obviously Poor Things is more stylized

7:34

and has, it's like wrapped up in

7:36

costume drama, which is going to make

7:39

a certain type of voter feel

7:41

better. And I think if the

7:44

Academy can accept Poor Things

7:46

and is weirded out by Inora, that

7:48

reflects very poorly on the Academy, but

7:51

there's space for it. Like they, you know,

7:53

we're all grown. It felt like

7:55

coming out of this festival, not only

7:58

is there space for it, but it It feels

8:00

like a front runner, right? It feels like there's not a

8:02

lot of movies that people are agreeing on right now. I

8:04

can't recall a less settled best

8:07

picture race, which maybe we'll talk about later. But if you just

8:09

think back, when I got back from Telluride and

8:11

you got back from Venice last year, we had

8:13

seen to that point, Barbie

8:15

Oppenheimer, The Holdovers, The

8:17

Zone of Interest, Maestro, those are all

8:20

nominated for best picture. I think

8:22

there were a few more too that we had seen at

8:24

that point. Poor things. Poor things as well, I saw Telluride.

8:26

Then I saw Venice. Had we

8:28

really seen The Holdovers yet? Yeah, I saw

8:30

The Holdovers at Telluride. Oh, that's right. Then I was

8:32

like, oh, okay. So it felt like maybe the slate

8:35

wasn't settled. Past lives? Past lives we'd already seen, which

8:37

came out much earlier in the year. So seven, eight,

8:39

nine of the movies that were gonna be on the

8:41

list we'd already seen. This year,

8:43

I had multiple conversations with people trying to

8:45

game out what's gonna be there.

8:48

And there are some people who feel really strongly that Dune

8:50

Part II is locked in there. Like maybe Challenger's gonna make

8:52

a comeback. We hadn't seen a couple of other movies that

8:55

played at Venice yet. But this is

8:57

the one movie now that

8:59

everyone's like, this is great. This is a

9:01

great film. And I don't wanna say anything else. We'll

9:03

talk more about it on the show in the future. But it

9:06

was agreed upon. This is the one festival

9:08

movie. The other one that's lurking is Sing Sing,

9:10

which is just

9:12

still in limited, like what are we doing? I

9:14

have not understood the release. I talked

9:16

to a bunch of people about that this weekend too. I was like, so you

9:18

guys put it in 100 theaters, then 200 theaters,

9:20

then 300 theaters, then 200 theaters, and 100 theaters, and it's

9:23

gone? Like what was that move? I

9:25

don't understand. Everybody I know who's seen it really likes

9:27

it. So it's been a very odd rollout for that

9:29

one. I mean, maybe they're trying to do sort of

9:31

like their early past lives

9:33

hype, and then hold it and bring

9:36

it back closer to the words. I think

9:38

that was the intention, but it didn't really click in that

9:40

way, which is a bit strange. It wasn't as, it wasn't

9:42

opened as widely as past lives. It wasn't,

9:44

it wasn't. Anyway. The

9:46

only other movie that I would say I think was a winner,

9:48

even though I liked it, but was more

9:50

mixed on it than many people I talked to was Amelia Perez,

9:52

which was also at Cannes. This is

9:54

Jacques Odiard's new movie. It

9:57

is, hey boy, it's a lot of movie.

9:59

It's. I mean the description, just like the

10:01

tagline. Yeah,

10:05

it's a trans coming of age story. It's

10:10

a musical. It's a

10:12

story about the Desaparcydos in Mexico. It's an

10:15

action movie. It's

10:17

a family drama. It is,

10:20

man, it's a lot. Carla

10:22

Gascón, Selena Gomez, and Zoe Saldana are

10:25

the stars of the movie. For

10:27

me, Zoe Saldana I

10:29

thought was absolutely amazing. And

10:31

it was a real, like, I didn't know she could

10:33

do this. She's singing, dancing, rapping, giving a genuine heartfelt

10:35

performance. That's because you haven't seen Center Stage in many

10:38

years, but anyway. That's a really good point. And

10:41

it's like the whole time I was watching the movie,

10:43

which again, like, I like Audiard, but I

10:45

often think he, he like tries to make three

10:47

movies at the same time and never

10:49

chooses which one it ultimately is. And I felt that

10:51

way a little bit about Amelia Perez. But watching Zoe

10:53

Saldana, I was like, what?

10:56

Why? Where has she been? Like, I know she's

10:58

been Gamora and she's been an avatar. Well, that's

11:01

literally your answer. I know, I know. That

11:03

she's been like in a tank with, you know, all the dots.

11:05

I know. For years and years. I'm sure that

11:07

was incredibly lucrative and people love her because of

11:09

those movies. But man, she's so fucking talented. And

11:12

I really was taken with her in this movie. Did

11:14

you go to the volleyball game where Selena Gomez performed the Nat,

11:16

performed for Ashley? No, I heard all about it. It was in

11:18

the talk of the town. I wish I was there. It

11:22

was an incredible campaigning. They made a bunch of

11:24

signs and then she just showed up. She did.

11:27

Selena Gomez, I would say, was a little

11:29

out of her league in this movie relative

11:31

to the other two stars. But like, listen,

11:33

all the value starts now, you know? She's

11:35

pulling stunts, lots of rumors about whether

11:37

or not she's engaged. You know, the ring will

11:39

be on and off for the next four months.

11:42

People are invested. She's going to get a lot

11:44

of people to watch this film. Which is

11:46

coming out in November on Netflix and is

11:48

certainly audacious, like a lot of movies here.

11:51

The audacious movies were the ones that usually didn't work for

11:53

me. Ultimately at the festival I thought actually some of the

11:55

more conventional stuff, with one exception, was the

11:57

stuff that I liked the best. Okay, old man. I

12:00

feel a bit like I was getting on in years. I

12:02

was like, this is a real movie. Not some of this

12:04

other clap trap that they're trying out here in the world.

12:08

I think that's ultimately just the testimony to

12:10

the slate itself and maybe not to my

12:12

taste. My favorite movie that I saw was

12:14

very audacious, easily

12:17

the boldest movie that I saw this year, which

12:20

is Nickel Boys, which I

12:22

saw on opening night. This is Rommel Ross's

12:24

first scripted film. He directed Hail County, which

12:26

was nominated for an Oscar some years ago.

12:29

It's adapted from a Colson Whitehead novel. It's

12:31

coming out of November from Amazon. It

12:34

stars Ethan Harreese, Brandon Wilson,

12:37

Anjanu Ellis-Taylor. I'm

12:39

sure you read a bit about it. I did,

12:41

and then I was like, I don't want

12:43

to read too much because

12:46

I want to go in. I also,

12:48

it's adapted from a Colson Whitehead novel that

12:50

I have not read. So I'm like, should I read

12:52

the book first? I almost read it.

12:54

To be able to understand. I

12:56

was holding it in my hand in the bookstore the

12:59

day I arrived at the festival. And I was like, should I

13:01

just jump into this and read 100

13:03

pages tonight and see? Because I wanted to get

13:06

my bearings with it. I'm glad I

13:08

didn't do that, but the people who, because

13:10

the people who read it seem to be a little bit

13:12

frustrated. That's always the case. So the

13:14

answer, I think I will probably

13:16

see the, try to know as little as

13:18

possible, see the film, and then read

13:20

the book. Because you still want to, I

13:23

understand that it is a major work

13:25

of adaptation, which is cool.

13:27

It's very, I don't mean, I can't compare

13:29

it to the book because I haven't read it. But

13:32

it's a very form breaking film. And you

13:34

can see a filmmaker who is a documentarian

13:36

applying the skills and the tools that he

13:38

learned in that format into this movie. The

13:42

thing to note is that it's

13:44

a movie that is seen from the first

13:46

person perspective. So the camera is literally

13:48

as if it is the head of the lead

13:50

character in the film. And then some

13:53

things evolve and it shifts and changes. And it

13:55

has a kind of dynamism, but it is very

13:57

alienating. And I know a lot of people

13:59

who really struggled movie, especially the first hour of

14:01

this movie. Ultimately, it is easily the

14:03

movie that has stuck to my ribs the most that

14:05

I have thought about the most that I have tried

14:08

to unpack the most is a

14:10

very literary adaptation of a literary

14:12

book. And so there is metaphor

14:14

and reaching imagery that is meant

14:16

to compel you to think about things well

14:18

beyond just the characters and the setting of the movie. It's

14:22

very bold. I don't

14:25

think mainstream audiences will connect with it

14:27

even though it is very profound. But

14:31

it immediately just made me want to

14:33

see 10 more Rommel Ross movies. Anybody

14:37

who is like, I really like challenging movies likes this

14:39

movie. Okay. Anybody who's like, I want to be entertained

14:41

does not like this movie. Okay, great. So I mean,

14:44

that's... This will be an

14:46

interesting challenge for you. That's not

14:48

fair. Well, I find that you are

14:50

often in the middle ground of that. Successful challenging

14:52

movies. I really... When you land the plane,

14:55

here's what I want. I want you to

14:57

land the plane. Okay. I respect

14:59

effort. We got to swing big. Art is

15:01

about taking chances. And if you're asking for

15:03

my time, get it

15:06

together before you ask for my time. I

15:08

think a good companion to this movie is

15:10

a somewhat more conventional version

15:12

of not a similar story, but

15:14

another black filmmaker, Malcolm Washington, he adapted

15:16

The Piano Lesson, the August Wilson play.

15:19

This movie that played pretty well for me.

15:21

It's not the bold thing that

15:23

Nickel Boys is, but it's just

15:25

a rock solid adaptation of a play

15:27

that takes what could have been a

15:29

very stagey sort of thing. The way

15:31

that the last couple of August Wilson adaptations

15:34

have been very like, two people

15:36

stuck in a house yelling at each other. There is plenty

15:38

of that in The Piano Lesson because that's the essence of

15:40

a lot of Wilson's work. But

15:42

I thought Malcolm Washington is... Fair

15:45

to be fair. Malcolm

15:48

Washington is Denzel's son. Yeah. This is

15:50

a big son of situation. John David Washington

15:52

is also in this film. He's one of

15:54

the stars. Pretty

15:57

impressive cast. The movie is built in a...

16:00

in an odd way, I wanted to tell you about this. Samuel

16:02

L. Jackson is the first name in the credits. He's

16:04

maybe the fourth or fifth lead of this movie. Sure, but

16:07

he's Samuel L. Jackson. Yes, he's the most famous person. So

16:09

for him and for everyone else, you gotta

16:11

get that out in front. But curiously,

16:13

Daniel Deadwiler, who people will remember from

16:16

Tales, Station Eleven, amazing actress, she has a

16:18

with credit. It says with Daniel Deadwiler. I

16:20

would argue she's the star of this movie.

16:23

It sounds like the Netflix intention is to run

16:25

her as a supporting actress. She's

16:28

outstanding. Dynamite,

16:30

the other standout from the movie, and

16:32

I was stunned watching this, was Ray

16:35

Fisher, who played Cyborg in the Justice

16:37

League movies and then was entrenched in that

16:39

kind of scandal around the show. And

16:42

he just took my breath away.

16:44

I honestly was amazed. He was very funny, very

16:46

touching. And so I

16:48

thought getting a performance like that out of him spoke really

16:50

well with Malcolm Washington and what he did. It's a good

16:52

movie. It's not the best movie of

16:54

the year, but it's a good movie. I'm excited to

16:56

see it. Okay, let's

16:59

talk about the surprises. Right, so surprises

17:01

meaning, surprises

17:04

to you, Sean Fennisey. Your expectations

17:06

weren't... They move in both directions. Sure,

17:08

okay. I think both of these will appeal to you.

17:11

The second one, I just absolutely can't wait.

17:13

I look forward to telling you about it. But I am very

17:15

interested in September 5th as well, which is the first on

17:17

your list. September 5th is a movie that very

17:19

few people knew very much about. I

17:21

had actually been invited to a pre-screening of this in August and I was

17:23

like, what is this? I don't know what this

17:25

is. This isn't on my radar as a pundit. I don't need to

17:27

care about this. As soon as we got

17:29

there, people were like, September 5th, September 5th. This is a

17:31

very good movie. So it's a movie about the

17:35

kidnapping hostage situation at the 1972 Olympic Games

17:37

in Munich, told

17:40

entirely through their perspective of ABC Sports,

17:42

which was covering the event in real

17:44

time. It stars Peter Sarsgaard, John

17:46

McGarrow, Ben Chaplin, and Liany Benesch, who you

17:49

may have seen in the teacher's lounge. And

17:53

it's a process

17:55

movie about journalism. And a kind of

17:57

thriller. as

18:00

you explain it and list the actors, I was like,

18:02

okay, well, now I'm in. It's just really gripping, you

18:04

know? And really well made. Tim Felbaum,

18:06

who's not a filmmaker I'd really heard much about. He's

18:08

directed a couple of movies I've never seen. It's

18:11

not the most complicated, ornate movie. If you

18:14

compare a movie like this to a movie

18:16

like Nickel Boys, they're operating in almost completely

18:18

different forms. That's okay. We have room in

18:20

the tent. It is. For lots

18:22

of different types of movies. I agree. This is

18:24

a movie that does not have distribution. I saw Scott Feinberg

18:26

in The Hollywood Reporter yesterday. I thought very smartly wrote a

18:28

piece that was like, if the right studio comes along and

18:30

buys this, there's kind of a low key best

18:32

picture, best actor kind of campaign here.

18:35

It's not going to change the world, but it's

18:38

also a film that is in some ways

18:40

about the Israel-Palestine conflict, which I think will

18:42

make it a very complicated movie to communicate

18:44

about. I read some reviews of the movie

18:46

that felt like it really only showed one perspective, which

18:49

is a fair criticism, I suppose, as

18:51

a movie engagement. Pretty

18:54

slick and entertaining and emotional and

18:56

as two journalists or recovering journalists.

18:59

Pretty trenchant about the ethics of an

19:01

issue like this and what to show and not

19:03

show on live television. Right, right, right. So I

19:05

love it. So the best actor campaign would be for Sars

19:08

Guard? So I think that they would

19:10

push Sars Guard and I should say Peter Sars

19:12

Guard, and maybe I'm spoiling some of my superlatives,

19:14

but he was extremely present at the Telluride Film

19:16

Festival. Okay, let's just put it in hold and

19:18

we'll talk about that. Because I'm finally caught

19:20

up on presumed innocent. I just got a lot of thought. I've

19:22

got to say, he's a fucking man. He's

19:25

an absolute legend. He is awesome in this movie too. He has

19:27

a scene where he just yells at some cops and I was

19:29

like, this is incredible stuff. German cops. John

19:32

McGarrel is really the lead of the movie. Last

19:35

seen in past lives. Yeah, my favorites. I

19:37

don't think they're going to position it that

19:39

way. But John McGarrel effectively plays the sort

19:41

of director of the day's coverage. And

19:44

so he's the man in front of the control panel

19:46

with the team telling them what to do. Peter

19:48

Sars Guard plays legendary ABC executive,

19:50

Rune Arledge, who sort of

19:53

made his name with this

19:55

and a number of other events. It's a cool movie.

19:57

Peter Jennings is in this movie. Howard Cosell is in this movie.

22:00

She's incredibly candid and the film is

22:02

very clever at talking about her marriage

22:04

and her family and the sort of

22:06

like the building of the brand and

22:08

her iconography and the books and the

22:11

magazines and all of that stuff

22:13

for me was new. I

22:15

didn't know any of it. Once we get into sort of like

22:17

1994, I knew a lot more about what we were doing,

22:19

but it was very entertaining. It was

22:21

done actually somewhat similar to the style

22:24

of Amy, where the only face you see

22:26

talking is Martha's. You hear

22:28

a lot of other voices, people in her life,

22:30

journalists, people giving context throughout the film, but you

22:32

never see their faces. And

22:34

she turned over to RJ, an insane

22:38

archive. I mean, diaries from

22:40

the 70s, photographs from

22:43

the ages of like nine all the way through the present

22:45

day. She has maintained

22:47

everything in her life, as you imagine. Yeah,

22:49

she's a scrapbook. She's doing it all. I

22:52

mean, she also still she's

22:55

in her 80s. You texted me that

22:57

she showed up in gold on my pants to

23:00

the premiere. She dominated the community. I don't know

23:02

if you know this, but she kind of started

23:04

a feud again in The New Yorker this week

23:07

because in addition to Martha, the documentary coming out,

23:09

it's very exciting fall for me. October

23:11

1st, Ina Garten's memoir will be released. Wow. And

23:17

Martha told The New Yorker that they were friends, but then Ina

23:19

cut her off after she went to work. She cut her off

23:21

after she went to prison and she found that very hurtful.

23:23

And that's like a real quote that Martha Stewart

23:26

gave The New Yorker this. It's

23:28

just what more could you ask for? That's beautiful.

23:31

She does talk at length. There's a lot of time spent

23:33

on her prosecution. I

23:36

had not realized that it was James Comey who was the

23:38

prosecutor of that case, which speaks volumes.

23:41

The film is quite a bit of hay out of that. The

23:44

show pony diva nature of the James

23:46

Comey experience. But just a

23:48

really good version of a movie like this

23:50

because she's such a great subject. And

23:53

she's really like one of the critical women of

23:55

the 20th century. First female self-made billionaire in history.

24:00

an American story, like through and through. Completely fascinating.

24:02

Good movie. I'm probably hyping it up too much,

24:04

but I think you'll really like it. No, I'm

24:06

sure I will. Have you ever read her blog?

24:09

If you guys have any time today, listen,

24:12

she was an unbelievable,

24:14

just like total dissociation

24:16

blog, like 2014. And

24:18

like suddenly there'd be a picture of like

24:20

her dog, but like, you

24:22

know, and it was like, well, my dog died,

24:25

you know, but she really loved like chasing straws

24:27

or something. It was great. During the Q&A, she

24:29

was asked about social media because, you know, she's

24:31

like really strong on Instagram and TikTok right now.

24:33

Yeah, I know. Bartha is posting thirst traps. That

24:36

was disgusting. That's actually featured in the film.

24:38

But she had a really funny comment

24:41

where she was like, you know what I really loved was

24:43

Twitter, the good old days of Twitter. She was like,

24:45

here's what we would do. It would be me and a few of my

24:47

executives, and we'd sit around and we would say, should

24:50

this cake be chocolate or peppermint?

24:52

And we'd post a poll, and then

24:54

we would decide based on what the

24:56

people told us about what the recipe should be.

24:59

And she was like earnestly saying, I built

25:01

my business on the back of crowdsourcing on

25:03

Twitter. What a strange person. Clearly

25:05

a person, one

25:08

who hates therapy and

25:10

is being confronted by probing questions about

25:12

the deepest parts of her life. And

25:15

her reaction to it rocks. And

25:18

occasionally reminded me of you? Occasionally?

25:20

Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Okay.

25:22

I mean, but she's never liked questions. I'll

25:25

never forget she did a skincare interview once, and they

25:27

were like, so what do you do for clogged floors?

25:29

Martha's response, I've never had a clogged floor in my

25:31

life. I did not

25:33

know she was such a babe as a

25:35

young woman. Oh yeah. Like I knew

25:37

she was conventionally beautiful, but she was a

25:40

model and there are a lot of photos

25:42

of her like at 22 being radiant in

25:44

Italy. Cool movie. I

25:46

liked it. Great. I'm very excited. Big crowd pleaser

25:48

at the festival. Sure. Speaking

25:50

of crowd pleasing, there were two movies that

25:52

I have described here as the commercial winners.

25:55

Mm-hmm. These are movies that I am betting

25:57

people are going to like. Right. I liked that.

28:00

Yeah, and it was also like

28:02

the Netflix's like late push of,

28:04

okay, what about this for Best Picture and all

28:06

the international movies, like a war, you know, it

28:08

was interesting, I liked the score, whatever. Yeah, and

28:10

this movie also has a very loud

28:13

and, I would say, overstated

28:15

score. Listen, you haven't said Agatha Christie yet, even though you

28:17

said, everyone said it, it was just like, it's like Agatha

28:20

Christie who does it. And I was just like, I am

28:22

in. It is

28:24

very Agatha Christie. It's great with

28:26

me. It's like Agatha Christie, but with voting. And

28:30

it's damn entertaining. Fiennes is incredible. He plays

28:32

the sort of the master of the conclave,

28:34

the dean who is sort of managing the

28:37

process of finding the next pope. And

28:39

he has a strong relationship to the previous pope and

28:41

that, you know, the story sort of unfurls from there.

28:44

It's just damn entertaining. It's very

28:46

silly. And there is a

28:48

significant twist that will be discussed.

28:51

Oh, great. At length. Listen, airport

28:53

novel, you know, it's in the Louvre. I

28:56

liked it. I liked it. I think you will like it

28:58

too. But I'll be quite surprised. Me too. The second

29:00

movie is

29:02

called Saturday Night. So you sent me many

29:04

updates over the weekend. I loved being in touch with

29:06

you. I loved hearing your thoughts.

29:08

I was thinking I don't want Amanda to feel like

29:10

I'm not connecting with her. No, no, no, it was

29:12

great. It was really, it was wonderful. And I loved

29:15

hearing about it. And I just,

29:17

I saw that Saturday night was premiering. I saw

29:19

Bill Murray showed up, just looking at my phone,

29:21

waiting for the text, nothing. Just, you just drove

29:23

right on by. Well, the reason why honestly is

29:25

not because I didn't want to communicate with you.

29:27

Won the service at these cinemas. It's terrible until

29:29

you ride, honestly. And I wish they would fix

29:32

that, but it's probably for the best so you

29:34

don't look at your phone. But I went directly

29:36

from Saturday night to the film The Apprentice, which

29:38

is about Donald Trump. And I had to race across to

29:40

get to the next movie. I probably would have sent you

29:42

some thoughts. Did you run? I

29:44

hustled. I would say I hustled. I did quite a bit

29:46

of hustling this weekend just to get from theater to theater.

29:49

But got my steps in, as they say. Saturday

29:52

Night is the comic

29:54

thriller, real time, drama

29:59

about. The

32:00

movie has pace. It has

32:02

jokes that are lifted explicitly from the Saturday

32:04

Night Live books. Okay. It

32:06

has Michael O'Donohue saying the ferocious hilarious

32:09

Michael O'Donohue things in the movie. People

32:11

just like pop up out of nowhere to be great.

32:13

Like Tracy Letts just like shows up for one scene

32:15

and is amazing. You know, it's one of those movies

32:17

where it's just moving fast. It's 95 minutes.

32:20

I mean fun is fun. That's fun. If

32:22

it's fun, I'm great with it. Is it

32:24

the great triates on creativity in the 20th

32:26

century? It's not. It's not. I

32:29

have been trying to figure out if

32:31

it is an awards movie because I think it's

32:34

a very commercial movie that older people will like obviously because

32:36

they're seeing stuff they know and younger people might like because

32:38

of the cast and the energy of the movie. I

32:41

don't know if people are gonna be like, this is a great film, but

32:43

that hasn't stopped movies from getting nominated for Best Picture

32:45

before. And if it's

32:47

feel good and also speaks to

32:50

a certain audience, the

32:52

tricky thing is, is like, are

32:56

the Academy voters of a certain age?

32:58

Like, do they remember it too well? I don't know.

33:01

Because for you, it's

33:03

like in Amber and you've seen the reruns and you've read all

33:05

the things, but you weren't there. But I wasn't there. Yeah, you're

33:07

right. So I don't know. It might

33:09

be a movie that is not as you pitched it

33:12

someone like me more than. Well, you're not an Academy

33:14

voter. Well, I don't mean specifically me, but someone who's

33:16

like, you know, somebody between 35 and 50 who

33:19

loves SNL and

33:21

is interested in its history and has bought the

33:23

books and listen to the podcast, but

33:26

doesn't doesn't feel like they own it. Okay.

33:29

Like, I don't own what's happening in this

33:31

movie. It is still a historical recreation. So

33:34

I think it's but I think

33:36

I think it's, you know, people have been joking about what

33:38

does it mean to be Jason Reitman's best movie kind of snarkily.

33:40

But it is among the best made movies

33:43

that he's he's done. And he's trying some

33:45

things in terms of like, you

33:47

know, follow, follow the camera. I'll

33:50

see the movie. I'm sure it's night. I'm sure

33:52

it's well made. They want to know about this

33:54

film. Also, like, I'm sure we're gonna have to

33:56

talk about it again. It's a weird awards year.

33:58

So yes, I have to. I'm sure. can't

36:00

sing. The idea of the movie is

36:02

very good, which is that, and if

36:05

you, my eyebrow just started to reach

36:07

you. The

36:09

idea of the movie is basically like how do you confront

36:12

or avoid your

36:14

responsibility to the world, to your

36:16

family, to the future. The family

36:19

that is portrayed in the bunker

36:22

were meant to believe is at least partially responsible for the apocalypse.

36:24

Right, right, and so

36:26

it's a movie about avoidance or

36:28

not avoidance. What kind of

36:30

songs? Are we wholly original,

36:33

bursting into song to explain what's going on in

36:35

the scene? I know, but it's sort

36:37

of like a traditional,

36:39

like Rodgers and Hammerstein type musical. Are they

36:41

doing more of a pop musical number? No, no,

36:43

no. Okay, that would be worse. I

36:45

mean, it's much more, it's

36:47

a sort of quieter, more spare arrangements,

36:49

but they're orchestra. Okay. And

36:51

I shouldn't say the songs

36:53

are bad, but they're just not great. And so

36:56

if you're asking Michael Shannon to sing into camera

36:58

for three consecutive minutes, like they just need to

37:00

be better. Yeah. And I

37:03

don't know. I was bummed. I don't

37:05

like it when people sing in the camera. Yeah.

37:07

Well, Amelia Parra has also features a

37:09

lot of singing into camera. I would say that there's

37:11

an energy in that movie that even if you don't

37:13

love what they're doing, with the one exception, there's one

37:15

musical number that is terrible in that movie, but the

37:18

others are really actually quite good. Uh,

37:21

musicals are hard. They're very hard. They were an

37:23

interesting theme of this festival. They're amazing

37:25

when you get them right. But you

37:27

know, one of the, one of the

37:29

documentaries that I saw at the festival was also kind

37:32

of a musical. It's called Peace by Peace. This

37:34

is the Pharrell Williams Lego movie. Martha

37:37

loved it. She did. Yeah.

37:39

And then, well, but it was

37:41

kind of one of those quid pro quo, quo

37:43

things because Pharrell gave

37:45

them a song. Well, and gave them a song for

37:48

the documentary. So she was there and she was like,

37:50

I just saw his amazing documentary. Also, thank you

37:52

for giving me this, you know? Yeah. That's like

37:54

billionaires, you know, handshake stuff. Yeah. And I don't,

37:56

I don't blame them for that. Peace

37:58

by peace. Complicated. This

40:00

is literally a Lego biopic

40:03

with Pharrell's cooperation directed by Morgan Neville.

40:06

I am bewildered by this

40:08

trailer. There are a lot of convergences.

40:10

I would say the movie really had

40:12

me until the beginning of the end of the

40:14

second act, beginning of the third act, where it was sort of like,

40:16

here's Pharrell's challenge. And it was just that he had not written

40:19

a hit song in like two and a half years or something. He

40:23

had no struggle. Or if he did, he

40:25

is not forthcoming about what his

40:27

struggle was. And so he really kind of like

40:29

closes down. He doesn't talk as much. He lets

40:31

like people like Busta Rhymes and Missy Elliott fill

40:33

in the gaps for a lot of his story.

40:36

And, you know, it honestly just

40:38

seems like a guy who for 25

40:41

years has been at the center of pop culture and

40:43

is incredibly wealthy and has a lovely family and gets

40:45

to make a movie about his life in Lego. So

40:48

it's not that deep, but the fun parts are very fun.

40:52

Do you wanna hear about The Apprentice? I

40:55

guess so. I mean, I do. We

41:01

do the backstory. I'm very tired already.

41:03

You're very tired because? Because

41:06

I don't know, Trump is just kind of like Beetlejuice

41:08

to me at this point. It's like

41:10

if you don't say his name, he doesn't exist. And

41:12

that's not true. Everybody, you need to go vote against

41:14

him. Like, please make sure

41:17

you can vote and make sure that you

41:19

vote against Donald Trump. And you were gonna vote

41:22

for RFK Jr. Right, exactly. And he pulled out.

41:24

He's gonna be Secretary of State. Him

41:27

and the brain worm, they'll share it. And the

41:29

dog and also the... The

41:31

bear, what about the bear that he found? I meant

41:33

the bear, but then did you see there was also

41:35

like a whale or something? Because when Ben Affleck was

41:37

rumored to be dating Kit Kennedy, his daughter, then

41:40

they honor some other story about

41:42

RFK pulling like a blubber. I

41:45

mean, see, this is what happens. It's

41:47

like, sometimes we just don't

41:49

need to get into this arena. And

41:52

this movie feels a little bit like,

41:54

okay, you made a movie and

41:57

you've timed it to the election.

42:00

and you got gifted by

42:02

controversy and one of the

42:04

investors not liking the movie,

42:07

that investor being Dan Snyder, which eat it,

42:09

sir. Then

42:14

it finally gets released and it's a

42:16

surprise thing and all the MSNBC moms

42:18

are like, we did it, let's go

42:20

see The Apprentice, but do I need to see this

42:22

movie? I mean, come on. Well, my

42:24

answer to that question is no. Yeah. That's the thing.

42:27

Of course not. Here's why. It starts

42:30

Sebastian Stan as Donald Trump, Maria Bakalova

42:32

as Ivana Trump, and Jeremy

42:35

Strong as Roy Cohn. All

42:37

three of them genuinely exceptional

42:39

in this movie. Jeremy Strong, of

42:41

course, is the standout. He is a freaking freak

42:44

of nature. He's the man. He

42:46

completely transforms into Roy Cohn. He spends 40 percent

42:48

of this movie in a bikini with a full

42:50

body tan. He is a maniac

42:53

and so committed and just

42:55

does the thing that you always say about great actors, which

42:57

is just like he just disappears into that part. Jeremy Strong

43:00

is gone and it is Roy Cohn. Sebastian

43:02

Stan, to his credit, that's a very hard

43:04

person to play. He's someone, he's probably

43:06

the most famous person in the world, and

43:08

he's a person whose particular affectations

43:10

are so ingrained in our culture because

43:13

of the way they've been parodied and

43:15

mocked or celebrated or whatever. He

43:19

makes a really good choice in the movie, which is

43:21

that it's a film that takes place roughly from the

43:24

mid 70s all the way through. I

43:26

think it's the late 90s. Those

43:29

affectations that we know, the hands moving in

43:31

and out, the this move, the pursing and

43:34

the widening of the lips, the way that

43:36

Trump looks and communicates, they very

43:38

slowly evolve. He doesn't start in

43:40

parity. He starts in a more

43:43

normal form and it is

43:45

an impressive feat to eventually

43:47

evolve into this monstrous figure that

43:49

we know in our history. The

43:52

problem with the movie is exactly what you might

43:54

imagine, which is like we know all of what

43:56

happened. If you've read one New York magazine feature

43:58

about Donald Trump written any time in the last 20 years,

44:01

you probably know everything that happens in the movie. You

44:04

know that Roy Cohn is the person who

44:06

gave him the playbook for how to be

44:09

a domineering, dishonest, titan of industry. You

44:11

know that Trump was heinous

44:13

in his personal relationships, that he

44:16

was a shrewd but corrupt businessman.

44:18

You know that he is a kind of like philosopher

44:21

king in a lot of ways of this very gross

44:23

sense of the world, but that he does have a

44:25

strong point of view on how to be in the

44:28

world and how to succeed. He did before he became

44:31

C&L, but that's another. Yeah, but in the 90s, you

44:33

know, the art of the deal is like part of

44:35

this, part of the film. And

44:37

I, there were a couple of, I

44:40

guess a couple of moments, particularly like the beginning

44:42

of his relationship with his soon

44:44

to be wife that maybe I didn't

44:46

know as much about that was somewhat revealing. And that's

44:48

maybe the only part of the movie that feels genuinely.

44:50

By soon to be, you mean Marla? No, no, no,

44:52

Yvonne. Okay, Yvonne. Marla

44:55

Maples doesn't even figure into the film at all. But

44:59

you come out of the movie and you're like, so this

45:01

is like a bad guy. And he

45:03

is a figure of what's wrong with

45:05

the way that we teach people to

45:07

pursue power in this country. And he's

45:09

dishonest and immoral. And I

45:12

know. Yes, I know as well. Yeah,

45:14

I mean, here's the thing. I don't

45:16

watch cable news for entertainment and

45:18

I don't really feel that I need to

45:20

watch this for entertainment. I like all of

45:22

the actors involved. And

45:24

I am very clear once

45:26

again, please go vote, but other than

45:28

that, I'm good. Yeah, I think if

45:31

you are an MSNBC mom or akin to that,

45:33

you probably will enjoy it. Or whatever the right

45:35

word is that is not enjoy, you'll

45:38

be compelled by the movie. But I

45:40

came out of it feeling gross and kind

45:42

of bummed out. Yeah. Documentaries.

45:44

And also you'd sprinted there and the mat

45:47

there. And also I was coming out of

45:49

Saturday night, which was just like a shot in the arm. And

45:51

then Sat had to sit with that. Couple

45:53

of quick documentaries. I saw Will and Harper, which was at

45:55

Sundance, but I did not see it there. Which is about

45:59

Will Ferrell and Harper Steen. that

56:01

would conflict with the Venice Film Festival. Well, last time

56:03

you were talking dates, you didn't have your dates right,

56:05

you know? I know that, but then, and I checked

56:07

with my source, and my source is listening. Is it

56:09

Liam Gallagher? No. And

56:12

I know that I didn't have

56:14

my dates right, but this seems

56:16

like maybe. So you're not

56:18

gonna come to the Telluride Film Festival. No, no, no, no, no.

56:21

One of the greatest places on earth. I was like,

56:23

I like really wanna go back to Venice.

56:26

I love the Venice Film Festival. Everyone looked

56:28

so glamorous. I'll tell everyone that when they asked me. Where's

56:30

Amanda? She said no. She said she's not

56:32

interested. No, no, no, no. Can I tell you that George and Brad

56:35

went on a double date to a restaurant

56:37

that I also dined at? Like basically,

56:40

I could have been there with Brad and George.

56:42

George and Brad who? Yeah, just two

56:44

guys that I know. I

56:47

just, everyone looks so beautiful.

56:49

It's right on the water. It's

56:52

Venice. Sophia was there. She was wearing a coat

56:54

shirt. How nice, how nice. You know, as a

56:57

person who also doesn't go to the

56:59

parties and basically just watches movies, marvels

57:02

at how weird the standing ovations are and

57:04

then goes and has pasta. It's

57:07

like the best place in the world. So

57:09

I, and I, I'm, guys, I really need

57:11

something to look forward to right now. So

57:14

the other thing though that I could kind of propose to you

57:16

is that if we do can. I'm

57:19

already spoken for next May. I

57:21

have plans. I have plans. I

57:25

told you guys when you booked this

57:27

stupid golf trip that it was at

57:29

the same time as can. And

57:31

we have you on record being like, I made a

57:33

mistake. We should have gone to can this year. I

57:36

am who I am. Sometimes I see films,

57:38

sometimes I golf. Anyway,

57:41

I'm really glad that people,

57:44

that you had a nice time to tell your ride and that the people

57:46

there are aware. I would love to go to

57:48

a dinner there. It's just. I mean, you

57:50

would love the parties there too, because it is, it's exactly

57:52

what I'm describing. I mean, you're just, like

57:54

I didn't go to the Netflix party, but Angelina Jolie is just

57:56

milling around the Netflix. Yeah, but I don't actually

57:58

like to meet the people. I don't either. That's why

58:01

I don't go. Yeah, that's the thing. I want to go and talk

58:03

to the publicist and executives that I know. That's what I'm interested in.

58:05

I like the Negroni next to the ocean. Um...

58:08

That's kind of, that's my guiding light. As always, I

58:10

support you while quietly mocking you. You know? That's really,

58:12

that's the energy we're bringing. So, what you're saying is that

58:14

you didn't have any bad personal decisions. You just ate granola

58:16

bars and didn't talk to people for five years. Well, I

58:18

don't know what I missed out on. That's the thing. I

58:20

don't know what fun night I missed out on. And I

58:22

did see a bunch of friends and, you know, I have

58:24

made, over the years, so many good

58:27

friends just from waiting in line to go see movies.

58:29

So many journalists and publicists and just

58:32

people that I've gotten to know. You

58:35

know, 10, 15 people who I see it to

58:37

re-screen it. I would love to ask those people how

58:39

they get you to remove your AirPods and talk

58:41

to them. Oh, I was so social. You

58:43

would have been so proud of me. Yeah. Just hang. I

58:45

mean, my friend, Chris Rosen, he and I hung out the

58:47

whole weekend. We saw like 10 movies together. And

58:50

so I was with him the whole time. But yeah, like

58:52

I've met some patrons who I just consistently see. Shout

58:55

out to my guy Vince. Like I hung out with him a lot. All

58:57

right. I'm proud of you. I've listened to very

58:59

few pods. Very few. Probably few

59:01

fewest pods I've listened to over a weekend and years. Yeah,

59:04

there weren't that many this weekend. It

59:06

was kind of quiet. Yeah. Any other

59:08

questions for me? The best

59:10

movie going experience. You're just like, I'm

59:12

here. It was probably Saturday

59:14

night. Everybody was fired up. You

59:17

know, that wasn't the best movie that I saw, but it was the best

59:19

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1:00:48

talk about the award stuff. And

1:00:53

we'll dovetail that a little bit into Venice.

1:00:56

So let's hold off on Best Picture for

1:00:58

a minute, because I do want to kind of game it out with you a little

1:01:00

bit. Best Actress is very

1:01:03

crowded. It was very crowded at Telluride. As

1:01:05

I said, there was a tribute to Saoirse

1:01:07

Ronan, who's been nominated four or five times.

1:01:10

She'll almost surely be nominated a fifth time, maybe even a

1:01:12

sixth time if she gets nominated for Blitz. She

1:01:14

could be getting two nominations this year in addition to the

1:01:16

Outrun. She got the tribute. Everyone

1:01:20

agrees. She's the genius. She's just amazing. She's

1:01:22

always good. And she has the

1:01:24

thing this year where she has both...

1:01:26

Is it the Outlaw? The Outrun? Yeah,

1:01:28

Outrun. And then

1:01:30

Blitz, the Steve McQueen movie. So

1:01:32

she is... I

1:01:35

think you're going to be seeing a lot of her. And

1:01:37

often in the situation where a

1:01:39

very respected actor has

1:01:42

two movies kind of in front of

1:01:44

people's faces. Yes. You

1:01:47

see nominations that you might not otherwise see.

1:01:49

Yeah, I'm trying to think of what is the other film that

1:01:51

Kate Winslet had the year of the reader. But she had a

1:01:54

year like that where she had two... Was it Revolutionary Road maybe?

1:01:56

That sounds right, yeah. And it was the same thing where she

1:01:58

didn't get... I can't recall if she had... I nominated for

1:02:00

both, but she won for the reader. And she

1:02:02

had to make a decision about what category she was gonna run

1:02:04

in, but she was really front and center because of that. She'll

1:02:07

be there. Mikey Madison, clearly the revelation

1:02:09

of the year. Everyone has fallen

1:02:11

in love with Anora. She's fantastic.

1:02:13

If I had to bet today, I would bet that she will

1:02:15

win. I don't know. I

1:02:17

just decided that in a couple of weeks, we're gonna do

1:02:19

the big Oscar bet before you go. We're

1:02:22

gonna choose all the categories. We never

1:02:24

had the follow-up. Well, you got

1:02:26

pregnant and then we couldn't have a crazy night.

1:02:28

I was pregnant at the time. And you knew

1:02:30

that. That's right. Did I know that? You did

1:02:32

know that. Remember I came in with five Chick-fil-A's

1:02:35

for Oscar bet. Oh yeah, that's right. That was

1:02:37

fun. You were pregnant, I forgot. We

1:02:40

did it in October of last year, big Oscar

1:02:42

bet. This year we'll do it in September, before you

1:02:44

leave. Mikey Madison, Angelina.

1:02:46

So, Maria also- She's

1:02:49

running. She's deeply running. To go

1:02:51

to Venice and tell you right, you are running. Angelina

1:02:53

Jolie has made roughly 1.5 good movies in

1:02:56

her career. That's a take I have that

1:02:58

I'm sharing. Maria might make it 2.5, because

1:03:01

I did like Maria. Yeah, but you're like kind

1:03:03

of a mark for that shit. I am

1:03:05

a mark for Pablo Lorraine would like to explore

1:03:07

a sad woman from the 20th century. That's just

1:03:09

something I like. No, you are also a

1:03:11

mark for Pablo Lorraine. El Conde. He like makes

1:03:14

beautiful things. Neruda, no. I

1:03:16

like him. I think he's a really great filmmaker. Prove

1:03:18

that he like control F through a

1:03:20

history book once. That's very rude. These

1:03:23

are psychological portraits of complex women in

1:03:25

our history. Does Margaret Thatcher show

1:03:27

up in Maria at any point? Flying? Aristotle

1:03:29

and us, this plays a huge role. Yeah,

1:03:31

no, I know. John F. Kennedy appears in

1:03:33

the film. Yeah, okay. Among other people. Great,

1:03:35

who? I can't remember the actor's name. Okay, so it's not like

1:03:37

a known person. It's not a famous person, no. Maria

1:03:40

is, it is more of the same.

1:03:43

It is the themes of Spencer and

1:03:45

Jackie. I would say my power rankings

1:03:47

of the trilogy are Jackie one, Maria

1:03:49

two, Spencer three. Oh, interesting. Oh,

1:03:52

okay. So, I liked Spencer more than

1:03:54

you did. I liked this movie a little more

1:03:56

than Spencer. Here's the thing that this movie has.

1:03:59

Maria Callis sing- opera all

1:04:01

the time. Like over and over again. It

1:04:03

is electrifying in a movie theater to hear

1:04:05

this music. So at a minimum, if you

1:04:07

like opera, and obviously you and I both

1:04:09

do, it works. No,

1:04:12

I'm just thinking about seeing Maestro and Venice and

1:04:14

all the music. And it's so beautiful

1:04:16

about theater. It's powerful. And I do

1:04:18

think Angelina is very, very good in this part. She doesn't sing,

1:04:21

you know, and you can tell when you're watching it. Yeah. They

1:04:23

said they did like the quote unquote voice

1:04:25

blend thing. There are a

1:04:27

couple of instances where they do and, you know, the movie is

1:04:29

kind of framed around this idea of sort of like near to the

1:04:31

end of her life and her kind of grappling with the idea of

1:04:34

no longer performing and maybe not having her voice the way that she

1:04:36

once did. You know, Lorraine is interested

1:04:38

in like all these themes of like how women are

1:04:40

put in boxes and how they're unable to express themselves,

1:04:42

even if they're the most dynamic figures in the world.

1:04:44

And you know, all the same stuff. Probably more. Yeah.

1:04:48

I mean, you know, you sit here in

1:04:50

that chair feeling deeply the way that Maria

1:04:52

Callis wants dead, like Alice. But,

1:04:55

you know, it's a great metatextual portrait of

1:04:57

Angelina Jolie. Same thing. She's an incredibly famous

1:05:00

person who people constantly talk about and other

1:05:02

her and make her feel like she is

1:05:04

not of this world in negative ways. And

1:05:07

you can feel her kind of tangling with

1:05:09

that in the movie. So I liked

1:05:11

it and people are going to like her. They're going to

1:05:13

think she's great. And it's a biopic of a musician. They

1:05:15

are. And I mean, that's the interesting

1:05:18

and complicated thing about Angelina Jolie is

1:05:20

that people have often not. I mean,

1:05:23

she won an Oscar for Girl Interrupted like

1:05:25

25 years ago. It's not like she's uncelebrated.

1:05:28

But it's become more chilly over the

1:05:31

years towards her. So that'll be

1:05:33

an interesting one where she is,

1:05:36

you know, calibrating this

1:05:38

campaign based on

1:05:41

sort of like it's time and reckoning

1:05:43

with this person. But will people respond to

1:05:45

it in the way that she wants

1:05:47

them to? I don't know. We're going to find out.

1:05:49

That movie was acquired by Netflix, which

1:05:52

has an interesting domino effect that I like

1:05:54

to speak to you about. So Carlos Sofia

1:05:56

Gascon, who is one

1:05:58

of the stars of Emilie Perez. Yeah. It's

1:06:00

clearly a best actress candidate. I

1:06:03

think they will campaign hard for her. I

1:06:05

think that would be a historic nomination. She's a

1:06:07

trans woman. I do

1:06:09

think that Angelina Jolie

1:06:11

and that movie being acquired by Netflix

1:06:13

puts Angelina Jolie into the primary position.

1:06:16

And it's like then- And Best Actress. Okay. I

1:06:19

could be wrong about that. It also means

1:06:21

that Zoe Saldana specifically gets bumped down into

1:06:24

a very soft best supporting actress category. Okay.

1:06:26

Very soft. Like historically soft. We can talk

1:06:28

about it in a second. And

1:06:30

then there's a few other movies that we either haven't seen or would be

1:06:32

more like out liars. So Amy Adams just

1:06:34

saw the trailer tonight. Bitch, did you watch that? No.

1:06:36

It doesn't look like an Oscar movie. Nicole Kidman

1:06:39

who got raves for baby girl at Venice.

1:06:42

I mean- I could definitely see something like that happening.

1:06:44

That's gonna happen. Like I don't know

1:06:46

anything. I haven't seen baby girl. I

1:06:48

wasn't at Venice, but it's just

1:06:50

like Nicole Kidman just

1:06:53

being out here and being amazing. Nailing

1:06:56

hair stick and into the wall. Yeah, exactly.

1:06:58

Quite literally. Just can't wait for that. It's

1:07:02

like automatic Oscar nomination. It feels like it.

1:07:05

People really do respect her. They do. And

1:07:07

she continues to take chances and do interesting stuff. I'm

1:07:09

very excited about that movie. I was disappointed that that

1:07:11

movie was not a telly ride. One other thing about

1:07:13

telly ride, no A24 movies. I'm

1:07:17

fairly certain since

1:07:19

A24 started 10, 12 years ago that

1:07:22

this is the first time that they did not have a film there.

1:07:25

Maybe there was one other time like in 2018 or

1:07:28

something like that, but they almost always have

1:07:30

a strong presence there. Zone of Interest there

1:07:32

the last year, very famously Moonlight was there.

1:07:35

Lady Bird was there. They always have a

1:07:37

strong, strong presence there. And

1:07:40

there were a couple of movies at Venice and there were like four

1:07:42

A24 movies at Toronto. Maybe

1:07:44

it was just like the titles didn't match up, but I thought that

1:07:46

that was notable. And

1:07:48

then June Squibb in Thelma, which we've hardly talked about,

1:07:51

but I wouldn't be stunned. She's 94 years

1:07:53

old and is good in Thelma. She's

1:07:55

doing 94 year old action sequences. It's

1:07:57

amazing. And then Demi Moore in The

1:07:59

Substance. which is a very, very,

1:08:02

very brave performance. Still haven't seen

1:08:04

it, but I will see it in

1:08:06

the coming weeks. Need you to see it. The further

1:08:08

along you get in your pregnancy before seeing it is hilarious.

1:08:10

No, I mean, I think it will be like basically waiting

1:08:13

around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like

1:08:15

I've got nothing else to do. I might as well go see

1:08:17

the substance and then podcast about it. It's

1:08:20

a crazy one. Supporting actress very

1:08:22

quickly. I think Daniel Deadwiler, who to

1:08:25

me is a lead in the piano lesson, but they'll probably

1:08:27

run in supporting. And then Zoe Saldana. I

1:08:29

think they're both lead performances, but they're going to be

1:08:31

running supporting. And then after that, I don't

1:08:34

even, I'm trying to game. I'm like Anjanue Ellis Taylor, Nickel

1:08:36

Boys, maybe she's not in the movie a whole bunch. Okay.

1:08:38

Lanny Benesch in September 5th. She has really

1:08:40

admired actor. Isabella Rossellini, who's in Conclave. I

1:08:42

think her part is too small. I think we're people surprised to

1:08:45

see how small her part was. Could

1:08:47

be one of those like weird. Isabella Rossellini. Yeah, it

1:08:49

could be like Alan Alden, the aviator or something. We're

1:08:51

like, yeah, we should just nominate him. He's cool. Like

1:08:53

her mother winning for Murder on the Orient Express. Good

1:08:56

example. Like what are we doing here, but also at

1:08:58

St. Gird Bergman. I don't think Selena Gomez

1:09:00

will be nominated, but she's going to run in that category too.

1:09:02

She'll be at the awards. She will. She

1:09:04

could sing. She performs a song in the film. That would

1:09:06

be great. Okay. My money is

1:09:08

on Danielle Deadwiler right now. Well,

1:09:11

that would, I mean, I haven't seen the movie, but that's

1:09:13

a deserving actor. Makes sense. She's very

1:09:15

good. And she was quote unquote snubbed in

1:09:17

favor of a two Leslie, you may recall

1:09:20

her performance in Till. That was a big

1:09:22

controversy. Yeah. Remember that? Wow. I

1:09:24

do. Yeah. Edward Norton

1:09:26

just out here tweeting. Yeah. Best

1:09:28

picture. Help me out. All right. So

1:09:30

Dune 2. Anora. I'm going to

1:09:33

write these down while you're talking. Dune part two. Anora.

1:09:36

Anora. I think Sing Sing

1:09:38

because it baffled though we are by, you

1:09:42

know. I'll go with you on that. 824 is

1:09:44

not calling us and sharing their strategies, but they

1:09:46

are pretty good at this. And I think Sing Sing,

1:09:50

like it both, I

1:09:52

think it worried us how much it like

1:09:54

smelled of Oscar, but also it

1:09:56

is really rewarding the ways that it

1:09:59

subverts that while also. being something that

1:10:01

will speak to people. Agree with you. Okay. Let's

1:10:03

think. What else is coming out? So that's

1:10:05

two movies that have come out and

1:10:08

one that many have seen at festivals and

1:10:10

is agreed upon as a great film this

1:10:13

year. Right. Pomedore winner.

1:10:15

Now what? I'm

1:10:17

thinking. Off the top

1:10:19

of your head, you, a noted Oscar pundit,

1:10:22

can't think of many other movies. Well, that's true. And

1:10:24

a lot of people feel this way. This is what

1:10:26

I'm saying. That's what's so interesting about this. That's true.

1:10:28

I swear I'm not totally checked out. No,

1:10:31

I don't think that you are. I think

1:10:33

Amelia Perez should be strongly considered. Okay. I

1:10:36

think it has a lot going for it. It has a lot

1:10:38

going for it. That's one that I feel pretty confident will make

1:10:40

the list. So we can put that there. After

1:10:44

that, let me throw some things at you. Yeah.

1:10:48

Gladiator 2. I

1:10:50

mean, no one would be happier than us. I,

1:10:53

yes, we'll get to that very briefly. Okay. But

1:10:56

I haven't seen it. And Ridley is

1:10:58

just, is Ridley, Inc.? He's been Ridley, Inc. quite

1:11:00

some time. Have you seen the Napoleon directors cut

1:11:03

yet? No, because apparently it's only 46 minutes of

1:11:06

additional footage, and everyone's just like, this

1:11:08

was boring. Oh, see, I saw the

1:11:10

exact opposite. Oh, really? I saw

1:11:12

that the Ridley heads were like, once again,

1:11:14

Ridley has shown the studios that they do

1:11:16

not see his vision and that they have

1:11:18

disrespected his greatness. But that's because you didn't

1:11:20

mute all of the people being like, the

1:11:23

brutalist, a searing vision of American,

1:11:25

you know? You haven't seen

1:11:27

it. You can't tell me it's not. If

1:11:29

I have to hear one more thing about

1:11:32

those fucking 70 millimeter canisters

1:11:34

being rolled through Venice

1:11:37

to get there on time. I'm

1:11:39

thinking strongly. Get me the fuck

1:11:41

out of here. Sight unseen, solo

1:11:43

brutalist pod. Just me for

1:11:45

two hours talking about the

1:11:47

brutalist. The Vox Lux guy

1:11:49

remade the fountainhead? Oh my God,

1:11:52

help me. Like America

1:11:54

is in trouble. You're talking about Brady Corbett.

1:11:57

This has been the most acclaimed movie out of Venice. Now,

1:11:59

I- But listen, it's been acclaimed by it,

1:12:01

like I said, like a bunch of

1:12:03

guys just, you know, with something

1:12:05

at fitness, Twitter accounts, just being

1:12:07

like, Adrian Brody

1:12:10

is a master. And this was

1:12:12

a, I mean, just like pure

1:12:14

crazy Twitter voice. And

1:12:17

so I muted all of them. And then

1:12:20

I guess that means that I didn't. You can't

1:12:22

mute me, not in this format. That's true, but

1:12:24

you haven't seen it yet. I haven't. It

1:12:26

got a 10 minute ovation, but

1:12:29

like the

1:12:31

Elmo Dovar movie got a 17 minute standing

1:12:33

ovation just because it's Elmo Dovar and Tilda Swinton

1:12:35

and Julia Anmore. And

1:12:37

everyone was like, I don't know what's going on here.

1:12:40

So. Yeah, that was disappointing. I mean, that's a movie

1:12:42

that a month ago I would have said

1:12:44

is definitely going to be on the best picture list.

1:12:46

Yeah. Elmo Dovar doing a English language movie with Tilda

1:12:48

Swinton and Julia Anmore. And it got very, very mixed

1:12:50

reviews. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Movies

1:12:52

don't have to get great reviews to get nominated for best picture.

1:12:54

So it's still plausible to me that that could compete, but we

1:12:57

haven't seen that movie either. Other

1:12:59

potential best picture contenders. I think the piano

1:13:01

lesson is worth considering. It got like warm,

1:13:03

but not outrageous reviews at Telluride, but

1:13:06

there's a lot of pieces there that make sense. I

1:13:10

think it's possible. Okay, Conclave,

1:13:12

I think has the kind of crowd

1:13:15

pleasery, but serious thing that feels

1:13:17

very old school. You said it was really silly.

1:13:19

You said it was just, but did the two

1:13:21

popes get nominated for best picture? I believe it

1:13:23

did. I also think it's

1:13:27

impossible to discuss this without the twist. Okay. I

1:13:30

mean, it is also like silly things dressed

1:13:32

up in like fancy clothes get nominated all

1:13:34

the time. And I often enjoy it. So

1:13:36

I'm not saying that in a negative way.

1:13:38

And a tremendously prestigious cast. And

1:13:41

both Fiennes and Stanley Tucci are excellent in the

1:13:43

movie. So that alone could elevate it up. So

1:13:45

I'll just say- And the Academy does have an

1:13:48

Edward Berger thing. Yeah,

1:13:50

I mean, obviously he's been there before. So I'll

1:13:52

write down Conclave. I'll write down Gladiator 2. Do

1:13:55

you want to write down the Brutalist? I, to

1:13:58

me, my gut is it's going to be too arty. I could

1:14:00

be wrong. I'm gonna write down the piano lesson even though,

1:14:02

you know, oh, no, I think piano lesson that's a good

1:14:04

one Okay, I haven't seen it yet. So that gives us

1:14:06

two four six eight films Okay, two

1:14:09

popes by the way was not nominated

1:14:11

for Best Picture But it was nominated

1:14:13

for adapted screenplay as well as

1:14:16

actor and supporting actor. Thank you So

1:14:18

Hopkins and Price were nominated. Yes both

1:14:20

posting. Okay two for two on

1:14:22

the Pope's those two popes Yeah, I think

1:14:24

that was the original title was those two or dem two popes

1:14:27

Damn comma two popes Well

1:14:34

that could have been the title of Conclave to Saturday

1:14:37

night sure put it in I Don't

1:14:39

know I haven't seen a soft year. Yeah,

1:14:42

it's a soft year. They loved you know, you

1:14:44

know, they did they did love you know They

1:14:48

love it they love a docudrama Yeah,

1:14:50

they love a recreation. Yeah Bohemian Rhapsody was nominated

1:14:52

for Best Picture I mean, that's why I'm not

1:14:55

like should we be talking about a complete unknown

1:14:57

that was gonna be my next Okay, so I'm

1:14:59

just gonna let's write down 13 or 14.

1:15:01

Okay, then if we say this is what we're working from

1:15:04

Challengers on okay. I was gonna get there.

1:15:06

I had intention of getting there. So you said a complete unknown

1:15:08

I think you're right. You don't know it's not playing any festivals

1:15:11

But it's coming out at Christmas and you'll see it

1:15:13

with your dad and notice be like Wow Bob Dylan

1:15:16

I won't see it with my dad, but you may see it

1:15:18

with your dad, right? Oh, I don't know. Oh, that would be

1:15:20

fun Me I'll probably see it with you and

1:15:22

you'll just be like crying and really angry and I'll be like

1:15:24

it's okay Okay The

1:15:27

other night I walked into Zach's

1:15:29

office He's been like rearranging stuff

1:15:31

and advanced at the baby you make it sound

1:15:33

like he's the star of the fountainhead and

1:15:35

he was just like alphabetizing

1:15:39

books and Blasting Dylan at

1:15:41

like 845 on a Saturday night and

1:15:43

I was like, this is some real Like

1:15:45

this is you've what Eric the

1:15:47

next level. No, I don't I was just kind of like

1:15:49

little And then I tried to

1:15:51

give him his space, you know, we all we all have our ways of

1:15:54

coping Yeah, he's about to be a

1:15:56

father of two. That sounds very challenging. Yeah How

1:15:59

about about Blitz.

1:16:03

Steve McQueen's new movie that is not premiering in

1:16:06

any of the signature festivals, it is premiering at

1:16:08

the London Film Festival. Like, do you

1:16:10

understand what it's about? I

1:16:12

do, but if you talk to anybody in the business,

1:16:14

they're like, this is not. That's nothing. Yeah.

1:16:17

Okay. Then it's doing New York. It

1:16:20

is doing New York. I think it's the, is it the

1:16:22

closing night film in New York? Or the opening night

1:16:24

film is Nickel Boys. I

1:16:26

think the centerpiece is the room next door and the closing

1:16:28

night film is Blitz. I am going

1:16:30

to the New York Film Festival as well. Very excited. Well,

1:16:32

I believe for you. Yeah. Where will

1:16:34

you be? I will be on my couch. It's

1:16:38

tough. I'm gonna write Blitz down even though I don't believe

1:16:40

in it. But I haven't seen it, so

1:16:42

it's a pointless statement. Anything else? Challengers.

1:16:46

So. You know, I went on Katie Rich's podcast last

1:16:49

week and I said this. This was my big, she was like, what's

1:16:51

your big theory with the award season? And

1:16:53

I said, I'm not counting challengers

1:16:55

out. And the reason why I'm not is because

1:16:58

three of the last five guests on the

1:17:00

show, directors, when I said

1:17:02

what's the last great thing that you've seen, they've said

1:17:04

challengers. Yeah. Everybody that I know likes challengers.

1:17:07

Now that we get through the year, it's kind

1:17:09

of like maybe with Saturday night at the festival where I was

1:17:11

like, when I look back, I'm like, oh, that's pretty good. I

1:17:13

like that. Yeah. and

1:17:15

I'm like, challengers, oh,

1:17:18

tour film, energetic and

1:17:20

exciting, young movie stars, fun script,

1:17:22

good music. This is a

1:17:24

good movie. And I think it

1:17:26

was a weirdly good

1:17:28

chance that it might, assuming Amazon

1:17:30

pushes it correctly and gets it back in

1:17:32

front of people, that it could get

1:17:35

nominated. You agree? I

1:17:37

do. I think also, obviously, Luca

1:17:39

Guadagnino had queer, I

1:17:41

think it premiered like today. Today. Like

1:17:44

while we were recording. But

1:17:46

that campaign is

1:17:49

very much on. And so

1:17:51

when Luca is out front

1:17:53

and center, I think all

1:17:55

his children will come together. I haven't

1:17:57

seen queer, but I have been told by many.

1:18:00

people that it's deeply strange and that

1:18:02

it is more Suspiria Luca. Okay. With,

1:18:05

you know, that it is. But you

1:18:07

can also see. Call me by your name. If

1:18:09

Daniel Craig is campaigning, then he's

1:18:11

out there. He's already in the

1:18:14

new Luebe fall ads, which is the

1:18:16

Jonathan Anderson brand who

1:18:18

also did all the costumes for challengers. So

1:18:21

I'm just like, they're all going to be

1:18:23

back out front and center. Jonathan

1:18:25

Anderson was at the premiere. They look like

1:18:27

they're having a great time. Rachel Vice looks

1:18:30

great. You know, um, Daniel Craig

1:18:32

has long hair now. I don't know how to say that.

1:18:34

It's sort of doing the Tom Cruise thing, but, um,

1:18:37

so I think that there's like a lot

1:18:39

of room for like the Luca awareness to

1:18:41

come back in the later half

1:18:44

of the year, which is an important

1:18:46

part of nominations. It's being

1:18:48

on people's minds. A24 picked up

1:18:50

queer. Yeah. They're obviously,

1:18:52

I don't think that film has a release date yet. No.

1:18:56

I think it actually helps challengers that queer

1:18:59

is a little bit more challenging. Right. Um,

1:19:02

I'm putting the brutalist on the end of this list. Okay.

1:19:05

When's that coming out? It does not have a

1:19:07

distributor, so it may not even come out this

1:19:09

year. Okay. When you look down

1:19:11

at the list of potential distributors, Netflix

1:19:14

just picked up Maria. A24

1:19:16

just picked up queer. I mean, both

1:19:18

are likely places for them to be, you

1:19:20

know, they are in searchlight has got a

1:19:23

complete unknown. Yeah. Focus

1:19:25

has got Conclave and it was for R2.

1:19:29

All of the likely homes for a

1:19:31

movie like that are kind of filled. Maybe

1:19:34

there's a Sony Pictures classics potential there.

1:19:36

Oh, they have the next door. Yeah. I

1:19:39

mean, it seems, it seems like neon in a next

1:19:41

year release, right? That feels

1:19:43

like the right home for it. Yeah. Um,

1:19:46

just based on what we've read and we don't, we haven't seen it, but I don't

1:19:49

know if it's going to get in or not this year. We'll see.

1:19:52

Okay. Um, am I forgetting anything? There you

1:19:54

are, but I can't think of it right now. Oh,

1:19:56

Joker fully ado. Oh sure. Right. Which

1:19:59

is still not premier. Gaga is in Venice. She

1:20:02

landed. Great. Where's Joaquin? They're

1:20:05

also there, but she, I mean, she showed up with an

1:20:07

engagement ring that's like the size of... Who

1:20:09

she engaged to? The guy she's been

1:20:11

dating for four years. This was confirmed by the

1:20:13

French Prime Minister during the Olympics. Keep up. The

1:20:16

French Prime Minister confirmed that Lady Gaga

1:20:18

is engaged to who? She's some

1:20:20

guy. But like of no note? No, I was like, he's

1:20:22

like a manager or something? Like a guy from Chaboyne, Wisconsin? I don't know. A

1:20:25

manager? I don't know what he's doing. Like a manager of

1:20:27

artists or like a manager of a baseball team? No, like

1:20:29

a manager of artists. Okay. Though a

1:20:32

baseball team would be more fun. Lady Gaga is

1:20:34

deserving in love. Of course I agree

1:20:36

with that. I didn't know that the guy from industry

1:20:39

is in Joker

1:20:41

folio de. Which guy from industry? Rob.

1:20:44

Oh, Harry Lottie. Harry Lottie,

1:20:47

AKA British trade turner. I have not seen last

1:20:49

night's episode of industry or two nights ago. Do

1:20:51

not spoil it for me. Yeah.

1:20:53

Okay. I sat with someone throughout the

1:20:55

festival who, a journalist

1:20:58

who binged the entire third season

1:21:00

and said it's the best season of TV you've seen in like five

1:21:02

years. I have a good friend who

1:21:04

also binged the entire third season and is very

1:21:06

into it. I can't believe you just went past

1:21:09

British trade turner with like absolutely no. Can

1:21:11

you see it? It's like, it's really, really apt.

1:21:14

We don't recognize trade turner on this

1:21:16

podcast. Well, you did this weekend. I

1:21:18

didn't watch any of the games. Okay. Can

1:21:21

you play well? I think you played okay.

1:21:23

Trade turner shortstop for the Philadelphia Phillies. Sure. He's

1:21:27

the second best shortstop in the National

1:21:29

League East after Francisco Lindor. Oh, is he?

1:21:31

He's a shortstop? He has a shortstop. Okay.

1:21:34

He's the shortstop in baseball. I knew about him because you guys say his name

1:21:36

a lot, but I didn't know he was a shortstop. Let

1:21:38

me just be clear about this. He's the fucking man. Okay.

1:21:41

He's so good. That's great. And it's wonderful

1:21:43

what's happened where he has become fully embraced this year

1:21:45

by New York and he deserves it. I love him.

1:21:47

Let me throw something at you. Okay. Wicked

1:21:50

part one. I thought about it. It's

1:21:52

not insane. It's a part one. I

1:21:54

just don't see a part one getting nominated. Those

1:21:57

two women are working so hard. I

1:22:00

respect it and they just and they have to

1:22:02

wear like crowns everywhere they go. They all, everybody

1:22:04

needs that movie to be successful. Yeah, I know,

1:22:06

but I just... You mean

1:22:08

Cynthia Rebo and Ariana Grande. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:12

Um... I just don't care. Like I just don't care

1:22:14

about that movie. I couldn't care less. And I

1:22:16

guess I will have to see

1:22:18

part one at some point in order to cover part

1:22:21

two. Maybe you won't. I don't know. Maybe

1:22:23

you won't. You think they won't make part two? No, I think they,

1:22:25

I think it's probably made already. Um, so

1:22:27

then probably I wouldn't... I think it's gonna come on the

1:22:29

pod to talk about part one. I know, I mean, you

1:22:31

know... Maybe she just comes on part two? Every year, like

1:22:33

I, well, not every year, every baby, I have like one,

1:22:35

is it a mulligan? Where I'm just like, oh, I missed

1:22:37

that one. What was the first one? It was the Northman.

1:22:39

Oh. And so I was thinking,

1:22:42

but I'm gonna see Nosferatu because of awards and

1:22:44

stuff. And I'm coming back so soon. But

1:22:46

maybe Wicked part one is my mulligan. Uh, well tell you

1:22:48

what, if you want it to be and you don't want

1:22:50

to have to see part two. Or you could see part

1:22:53

two without seeing part one. I think I want it to

1:22:55

be Night Bitch, respectfully. That's just really not my... I'm

1:22:59

not gonna watch the trailer. Okay. That's the

1:23:01

thing, that's my black licorice. I have never liked a Mariel

1:23:03

Haller film. You hate Amy Adams. I don't hate

1:23:05

her. You said many times you think she's an

1:23:07

absolute fraud. But I am, uh, with her. With

1:23:10

Bill on my feelings about her. You're with her Hillary Clinton?

1:23:12

God, no. Hillary

1:23:14

Clinton was in Telluride. Why? There

1:23:17

were the documentary called Zorosky versus Texas

1:23:19

about the people who are suing

1:23:21

the state of Texas for abortion rights. Okay, well

1:23:23

you know what? That's doing something. Important film. So

1:23:26

that's... I didn't see that film. Actually, one

1:23:28

of the most crowded... Great, thank you. So

1:23:30

you and Jason Reitman leading the women's rights

1:23:32

movement. Well, I did

1:23:34

see Andrea Arnold's Bird. Okay. Also

1:23:37

about a young woman. Yeah. At the

1:23:39

same time that Zorosky versus Texas. I didn't love Bird,

1:23:41

unfortunately, for me. Okay. Did you see the

1:23:43

Swim to Bill documentary? I didn't. I did see Swim

1:23:45

to Bill. Oh. He was

1:23:47

a sighting. He was very present. Swim to

1:23:49

Bill, legendary swimming teacher here in Los Angeles.

1:23:52

Yes. And you were provided by

1:23:54

the modestly elite of LA to teach three-year-olds how

1:23:56

to swim in pools. Or the very elite. Or

1:23:58

the very elite, such as Rashida. So I believe

1:24:00

her swim teacher was swim to bill and she

1:24:03

made a short documentary about him that was playing

1:24:05

here That was a very funny Instagram

1:24:07

photo that she had where she said the two most

1:24:09

important bills in my life and it was swim to

1:24:11

bill and bill Murray in the image Yeah,

1:24:14

I didn't see I didn't see this one a bill movie. All right Got

1:24:17

to tell you at the pool this weekend. I'm at the

1:24:19

most incredible. I met like two two year old

1:24:21

Michael Phelps Oh really and I don't think

1:24:23

he was a swim to bill graduate It was just like

1:24:26

a kid doing the worm in the pool and he

1:24:28

was like two years old. Oh my god. He was

1:24:30

amazing I loved him so much. So that was intimidating.

1:24:32

That's the scene from no, it was great. It was

1:24:34

joyful. Okay, great So that was that's the pool report.

1:24:36

That's nice for this week. I missed out. Let's

1:24:39

just recap this quickly Okay, I think we have

1:24:41

between 15 and 16 here. Do in part two

1:24:44

Inora sink sing Emilia

1:24:46

Perez Conclave Gladiator

1:24:49

to the piano lesson Saturday

1:24:51

night a complete unknown blitz

1:24:54

Challengers the brutalist Joker folio

1:24:57

do wicked part one and I've

1:24:59

added no sforatu to the end of the list Yeah,

1:25:01

I think that's an outside likelihood I think I as

1:25:04

always I think this list is too American and

1:25:06

there will be some stuff You know that you

1:25:08

you know in your blinkered way you skipped

1:25:11

all the international films I did had I

1:25:13

been at Venice the films that I've been

1:25:15

able to Fulfill my role as

1:25:17

the citizen of the world then I would

1:25:19

be able to report whose fault is that? Yeah,

1:25:22

I know take it up with him The

1:25:26

two the two movies I've heard the most about that

1:25:28

could fill that slot that international slaughter all we imagine

1:25:30

is light Which may or may not be India's submission

1:25:33

and the seat of the sacred fig which I don't

1:25:36

want to get this wrong I want to say it's

1:25:38

German potentially Germany's submission Those

1:25:41

films seem to have the most buzz

1:25:43

coming out of The

1:25:45

festivals they both played can as well But I haven't

1:25:48

seen either one of them another movie that I do

1:25:50

two other movies I didn't see quickly memoir of a

1:25:52

snail which is an animated movie by anime Adam Elliott,

1:25:54

which it got rave reviews I

1:25:56

don't think that's a best picture movie, but seemed

1:25:58

to be liked I didn't see

1:26:00

Better Man. I was warned off of Better Man. This

1:26:02

is the Robbie Williams biopic. Oh,

1:26:04

sad. Yeah, unfortunately it always conflicted

1:26:07

with something else that I was already committed

1:26:09

to seeing. I saw

1:26:11

some wild reviews in many directions

1:26:13

that some people despised it. Some people

1:26:15

really liked it. It's from Michael Gracie,

1:26:17

the director of the greatest showman. You

1:26:20

know Robbie Williams is represented in the film

1:26:22

as a CGI monkey, right? No.

1:26:25

That's true. Okay. What

1:26:28

am I supposed to do with that? I'm waiting for you to respond.

1:26:31

Take your time. I'll wait. It's

1:26:33

like I do actually need a documentary

1:26:36

explaining Robbie Williams to me an

1:26:38

American, you know, because it's a

1:26:41

very insular British thing. Yes.

1:26:44

Obviously like I know I'm a, you know, doo doo doo

1:26:46

doo doo doo doo doo doo. But why is he a

1:26:48

CGI monkey? What about Take That's I Want You Back? I

1:26:51

mean, I do, I like Take That. But I

1:26:53

remember I once watched a clip of Graham Norton

1:26:55

on Graham Norton of another Take That member who

1:26:58

like I can't name. I

1:27:00

don't know who it is. Talking about how COVID- Jim

1:27:02

Johnson. COVID changed his life because he could finally like

1:27:05

go to the grocery store and not be mobbed. And

1:27:07

I was like, sir, you could be my next door

1:27:09

neighbor. You know, like just come here. So-

1:27:11

It's a certain, it's a stripe of Anglaophilia, you

1:27:13

know? I know, exactly. So I

1:27:16

would like a normal documentary. I don't know why we

1:27:18

need to bring CGI into it. I'm

1:27:21

going to see that movie. It's a Paramount movie. It's

1:27:23

a bit curious to me that Paramount is opening that

1:27:25

movie wide in America when nobody knows who Robbie Williams

1:27:27

is. But some people seem to really like its oddity

1:27:29

and creativity. Let's

1:27:32

talk about most anticipated films. So you put one on here that

1:27:34

you've already seen. Yeah, but that

1:27:36

was- You want to just represent it for the people? Yes. Okay. Because I

1:27:38

thought it was like unfair

1:27:41

to this

1:27:43

movie- To lord it over people? No, no, no, no,

1:27:45

no, no. But it

1:27:47

wouldn't be reflective of the state of

1:27:49

the fall. Okay. But

1:27:52

you're not anticipating the film Saturday Night? Believe

1:27:55

it or not, I'm just going to see it. I

1:27:58

don't have high expectations. I don't have low

1:28:00

expectations. I'm just gonna go have a time at

1:28:03

the movies. What's your fifth most anticipated movie of

1:28:05

the fall? It's queer because

1:28:07

I'm a fan of Luca Guadagnino and Daniel Craig

1:28:10

and sex in all its forms. So, yeah,

1:28:12

there we go. My

1:28:15

number five is a little movie called Jura number two, directed

1:28:18

by perhaps you've heard of him, Clint Eastwood. Sounds

1:28:21

like this movie is coming out. Great. I'm

1:28:24

not quite sure the ways in which it will

1:28:27

be platformed by Warner Brothers, the Warner Brothers Corporation,

1:28:29

Clint Eastwood has been making movies for six decades,

1:28:32

but it's a

1:28:34

courtroom drama thriller starring Nicholas Hoult. It's

1:28:36

more or less all we know. And

1:28:41

can you imagine the crazy Clint Eastwood pod I'm gonna do

1:28:43

when this movie comes out? It

1:28:45

sounds like it could be anywhere between

1:28:47

November and January for when it comes out, but I think

1:28:49

it's gonna come out this fall. Remember when we

1:28:51

saw the Mule together? Fucking

1:28:53

rocked. And Bradley Cooper just showed up for... Yeah,

1:28:56

as like FBI guy number two. That's

1:29:00

a good movie. My number four, I don't care what

1:29:02

you say Blitz. I have

1:29:04

respect for Steve McQueen and Saoirse Ronan and

1:29:07

Harris Dickinson. I've heard

1:29:09

that those two plays very supporting roles. I

1:29:11

mean, listen, I think, do you know how the

1:29:13

Blitz went? I think everybody played a supporting role.

1:29:15

Who would you say is the lead? So, like the

1:29:18

bombs. Adol Hitler? I mean, I don't know. It

1:29:20

wasn't great, okay? So you can't

1:29:23

count on anyone. Understood. I am

1:29:25

looking forward to Blitz too. I'm not gonna write up

1:29:27

seeing one of my favorite directors. I'm

1:29:30

still choosing to believe in the room next door.

1:29:32

I'm looking forward. My number four is Elmodovar's

1:29:35

new film, even though

1:29:37

it seems like the transition from Spanish

1:29:40

to English has caused some issues.

1:29:42

The short film that I saw Telluride read last year with Pedro

1:29:44

Pascal and Ethan Hawke was not his best work. And

1:29:46

this film's getting mixed reviews, but I love, love, love the

1:29:48

movies. It was still very beautiful and stylish. It was, it

1:29:50

looks great. His movies always look great. A lot of flair.

1:29:53

What's next for you? Baby Girl. Let's

1:29:55

go Harris Dickinson. Are you

1:29:57

kidding? You know, like, on

1:32:00

the big picture. So I think there's this, I

1:32:02

think it's more than likely that

1:32:05

Taylor listens to Travis's pod more than

1:32:07

Eileen listens to this show. But

1:32:09

I don't think that's a judgment on us. I

1:32:12

just think she's not caught up on movies at all at this

1:32:14

stage of her life. And also maybe

1:32:16

secretly harbors a tremendous hatred for me.

1:32:18

And also is like, gets

1:32:20

this, you know? She gets it. Yeah.

1:32:23

Yeah. I

1:32:26

saw this movie. And she's like, all right, goddamn it. It's

1:32:28

been 25 years with us. And I start when I, when

1:32:30

we're with other people and I start like, you

1:32:32

know, trying to be social and make jokes, I can

1:32:34

see like this look of fatigue on Zach's face. And

1:32:36

I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I know. You know, you

1:32:39

see this. Zach said, I

1:32:41

asked Zach this last night and he was

1:32:43

like, I think I'm probably even. But then

1:32:45

he pointed out that Travis and Jason Kelsey

1:32:47

don't publish as often. So Taylor has the

1:32:49

advantage. Oh, we're talking like a pure minutes

1:32:52

perspective. I don't know. I think

1:32:54

it's really just who's the better podcast spouse, you

1:32:56

know? And is it? And

1:32:59

you and I are married. I have my 15 year wedding

1:33:01

anniversary this month. That's really crazy. 15 years.

1:33:04

Yeah. Happy anniversary. That's beautiful.

1:33:07

Yeah. Yeah. It's

1:33:09

great. I love being married. Yeah.

1:33:13

I left this for you, but this would also be on my list. I really liked both

1:33:16

of Helena Ryan's movies, Bodies, Bodies,

1:33:18

Bodies and Instinct. And I've been told this is much

1:33:20

more like instinct, her first film in

1:33:22

terms of tone and people, I think people like that movie more.

1:33:26

My number three is Nosferatu. We've already talked about it. Robert

1:33:28

Eggers is Christmas release adaptation of the

1:33:30

legendary vampire story. It's beautiful that there are things that

1:33:32

are made for you in this world. This is probably

1:33:34

number one now on my list for the rest of

1:33:36

the year. And Complete Unknown is

1:33:38

the most terrifying movie. Except for literally the list that you

1:33:40

made that we're looking at where you put something else at number

1:33:43

one. Yeah, it's just for fun. Okay. My

1:33:45

number two is the aforementioned Inoura, which I've seen, which

1:33:47

I loved. I'm

1:33:50

excited for other people to be able to see

1:33:52

it. Me as well. My number two is the Brutalist. I

1:33:54

have no idea if it's coming out, but I saw the tweets. And

1:33:57

I was like, absolutely. You're saying to me that this is

1:33:59

a film about an image. coming to this country, but

1:34:01

it's like there will be blood. And it's

1:34:03

about America and pain and struggle and

1:34:05

success. And architecture. And love and

1:34:08

devastation and the

1:34:10

awfulness and the greatness of this

1:34:12

world. I do like Adrian Brody. I'm

1:34:15

really- Adrian Brody, Guy Pearce, Felicity Jones.

1:34:17

I like two out of those three people. How

1:34:20

dare you blaspheme Felicity Jones? Very

1:34:22

much. I mean, name a movie where

1:34:24

she has a pulse. She's

1:34:27

been very good. Oh shit, what's that

1:34:29

movie called? I'm gonna look this up. This is

1:34:31

not good podcasting. We're almost done here, guys, I'm sorry. I

1:34:34

would argue that this is where the real magic

1:34:36

happens. Well, she's in Rogue One. Oh

1:34:39

yeah. That's good. And she's good in that.

1:34:42

I like her in the movie Like Crazy. That's

1:34:44

the movie I was thinking of. But she's the

1:34:46

one in Rogue One who just has to look

1:34:48

confused but determined the whole time, you know? Yeah,

1:34:51

but in a steely way. It's

1:34:53

not that steely. I can't say I'm a fan of

1:34:55

the theory of everything or on the basis of sex

1:34:57

or the Aeronauts. None of those movies are interesting. What

1:34:59

was the George Clooney movie? She's

1:35:02

in a George Clooney movie? Yeah, that he

1:35:04

directed for Netflix and it's like about space.

1:35:07

Oh yeah. That

1:35:09

movie is called The Midnight Sky.

1:35:11

Yeah. Which wasn't very good.

1:35:14

Okay. What

1:35:16

else? Not a lot of good movies. Okay.

1:35:19

The Brutalist is, I've

1:35:21

chosen to believe. I know that. Have

1:35:23

you seen the childhood of a leader, Brady Corbett's first

1:35:25

movie? No. Robert Pattinson?

1:35:27

But I hated Vox Lux. I know, I didn't like it

1:35:29

either. With such a passion. And

1:35:31

what I hated about it was. It's

1:35:34

ostentatiousness. The fake intellectualism. I was like,

1:35:36

this is a movie that a person

1:35:39

who doesn't get it but

1:35:41

thinks he really gets it is

1:35:43

making. And so that doesn't bode well

1:35:45

for a three and a half hour movie

1:35:47

that is responding to The Fountainhead. You know

1:35:50

what I'm saying? Sean, in this

1:35:52

division, projected in 70 millimeter.

1:35:54

I mean, I just like clip after

1:35:56

clip. There's an intermission. I

1:35:58

recognize the hallway that they're. opening the

1:36:00

door, you know, and there go the

1:36:02

canisters. Enough with the canisters. Like,

1:36:05

preserve film, shoot on film.

1:36:07

I think it's great, just talk about it less, you know? Do

1:36:10

more, say less. Are you saying this to

1:36:12

me or to Brady or? Sometimes you're like a

1:36:14

little, just do more, say less. That's

1:36:17

what I had to say. With the nature of the arts.

1:36:19

I know there's nothing wrong with canisters. Not inherently, anyway. What's

1:36:21

our number one? Gladiator two, let's go,

1:36:23

you know? It's gotta be good, I need it to

1:36:26

be good. Yeah. Need it

1:36:28

to be good. I will have a great time no matter

1:36:30

what, but I too would like it

1:36:32

to be good instead of bad. That's sort

1:36:34

of my philosophy about going to the movies. I'm

1:36:36

getting increasingly excited about Denzel Washington in

1:36:39

the film. Increasingly? Yeah.

1:36:42

I'm still a little worried that they put

1:36:44

his whole performance in the trailer and

1:36:46

that he's in 10 minutes of the movie. I'm hoping

1:36:49

he's actually like a best actor contender. Okay.

1:36:51

Like I really hope that that's the case. Me too, that would be really

1:36:54

fun. We'll see. And then all

1:36:56

three of them are campaigning together for their various

1:36:58

categories. That would be lovely. Yeah, the

1:37:00

family. Yeah, that would be nice. Any

1:37:03

other thoughts? I like movies. You

1:37:05

have a conclave as an honorable mention. Yeah, I

1:37:08

mean, I'm really looking forward to it. It

1:37:10

sounds preposterous, but in the best way. What about

1:37:12

here? The Robert Zemeckis film starring

1:37:14

Tom Hanks. Recently, what did

1:37:16

we see the trailer before? Was it before Trap?

1:37:19

Speaking of. Did

1:37:21

you show off your shirt? Oh yeah, my shirt. So

1:37:24

I ordered this because I needed new shirts because

1:37:26

nothing else fits. I think I

1:37:28

was like in the waiting room at the doctor. For those

1:37:30

of you listening at home, you're wearing a Josh Hartnett shirt. Oh

1:37:32

yeah, yeah. It's like one of the meme shirts, but

1:37:35

for Josh Hartnett. It's like a cash money t-shirt, but

1:37:37

for Josh Hartnett. Oh, okay. They're

1:37:39

telling me to put the computer down and

1:37:41

then you can see it. You can also. That's

1:37:43

directing. See my giant, but

1:37:45

actually the sizing worked out quite well for this phase of

1:37:48

my life. Sure looks great. Everyone

1:37:50

who didn't like Trap is just,

1:37:54

we don't see eye to eye. What

1:37:57

about the film here? So we saw the

1:37:59

trailer. and you turned to me and you were

1:38:01

like, this is gonna work. I

1:38:03

think so. It could work. It

1:38:07

might also be that the trailer really works

1:38:09

and then the movie doesn't work. I'm watching the trailer with

1:38:11

you. Yeah. You're in this state. This

1:38:14

state. It really is a state at this

1:38:16

point. I'm about to watch the girl dad movie of all

1:38:18

time. And this

1:38:20

trailer hits and yes, I've seen all

1:38:22

good people is playing and they're going through the course of

1:38:25

the life of Tom Hanks and Robin Wright

1:38:27

Penn. They have a fucking daughter. Yeah. He's

1:38:29

laying on the ground in the living room where the entire

1:38:31

film is set reading to his daughter. And

1:38:33

I'm like, this will be a good film. I mean,

1:38:35

no one believes in the power of Tom Hanks more

1:38:39

than me, as you know. And

1:38:42

this specific saccharine shit that you're

1:38:44

just like, well, but it worked.

1:38:46

Robert Zemeckis has made two movies with

1:38:48

Tom Hanks. Those movies are what? Forrest

1:38:51

Gump. Yes. Castaway.

1:38:54

Yeah. But what are the what are the

1:38:56

last five movies that Robert Zemeckis has made? Let me

1:38:58

see if I can do this off the top of my head. Pinocchio.

1:39:01

Abominable. Was that the one where he was

1:39:04

a fascist? Yes, that's correct. Okay.

1:39:07

The Witches. No, that was Guillermo del

1:39:09

Toro's. Oh, you're right. Yeah,

1:39:11

you're right. That was. No, no,

1:39:13

he wasn't a fascist. He was just a marionette. Pinocchio,

1:39:16

The Witches. Oh, yeah. Starring

1:39:19

the Pathway. Yeah. It

1:39:22

was Welcome to Marwin, the previous film. Yeah. Yes.

1:39:25

Yeah. Welcome to Marwin.

1:39:28

And then God, what was before

1:39:30

that? I

1:39:35

don't even know. It's not. Beowulf

1:39:37

for the Polar Express, but is there another motion

1:39:39

capture film? It was before that. Jack,

1:39:42

can you help me out? Oh, my God. Allied. Whoa.

1:39:46

Brad Pitt, Marion Clutier, a movie that. I

1:39:48

was so bad. And what's before that? That's gotta be.

1:39:51

It's Beowulf before that. Oh, the Wolf.